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How to Win Friends and Influence Mormons

How to Win Friends and Influence MormonsThere have been some discussion and perhaps lamentation about methods used by critics of Mormonism, or in Evangelism towards Mormons (depending on your perspective).  I’ve made various comments here and there in this blog but I feel it is important to state these matters in one place.

One thing that can be done is to examine one’s motives and goals, as well as outcomes and results of the approaches taken to achieve those goals. Among the various goals that critics of Mormonism have these seem to be the major ones:

1) Winning a theological debate with a Mormon, preferably with others watching. This usually includes a back and forth of various biblical passages (either in the printed or spoken word) and the end result is that neither side is persuaded, but end up usually more committed to their position or feel that further communication is futile.

2) Discharging a believed duty to “tell it like it is.” Here the goal is achieved by telling a Mormon how false their beliefs are. It isn’t clear they expect the Mormon to change his or her belief, as much as they are satisfied in discharging their duty (i.e. ‘consider yourself warned’). There is no concern for follow up with this goal. This is perhaps the easiest goal to achieve.

3) “Outing” Mormons or the “What Mormons really teach” or “What Mormons really believe” approach. This is a popular goal. The idea is that Mormons are dishonest in their beliefs in order to deceive people into joining their church and so the goal here is exposing Mormonism for what it is. It’s unclear that there are any goals beyond this. The result is that LDS feel that the depiction of LDS beliefs given by these critics simply does not reflect what they themselves believe. Often it is seen by LDS as a twisted and warped caricature. In which case, the critic concludes that a) this person continues to lie or b) this is one of those Mormons who is ignorant about what their church really teaches. Another label for this is the “let me teach you what your church really believes” approach. Often this approach can be seen as being directed towards potential converts rather than LDS themselves.

4) Trying to get Mormons to drop their unique Mormon beliefs. This one is directed towards an individual Mormon and the idea is not to get them to believe something affirmatively, but to try to get the Mormon to stop believing in either the Book of Mormon, or Joseph Smith, or the church as an institution (the deconversion approach). Often tactics involved are naturalistic or secular and could easily undermine any belief in God, Christ, the Bible etc. At any rate, the goal would be completely achieved if the Mormon would simply drop their false beliefs. However, there is no attempt to actually preach good news to the Mormon, because “preach the Gospel” has been interpreted to mean “to cause to stop believing.” LDS see this approach as using a double standard and simply doesn’t have any appeal.

5) A variation of the theme is to try to get LDS to acknowledge their church has problems or to get an LDS person to complain about things they don’t like about their church. The idea is similar to “I will complain about my faith if you complain about yours.” The notion here is that any progress one can make in getting LDS to see defects in their church the better, and the appeal is that it isn’t blatant and in your face, and perhaps if we can get LDS to be dissatisfied with their church, the goal is achieved. And while I agree this approach isn’t in-your-face blatant, it’s a negative approach and lacking in any substance of “good news.”

6) The Reverse Engineered Ex-Mormon Testimony Approach. This approach is to collect various testimonies of Latter-day Saints who have left the Church.  The idea is that by showing faithful Latter-day Saints all the reasons that others have left the church that they too will seriously consider leaving the Church.  “Look, just go through all the same steps and reasoning that this person went through who left the Church, and you too will leave the Church!”

There are serious problems with each of these goals and accompanying approaches. For starters, they are extremely ineffective from the LDS perspective.  Also, there is a complete lack of love and concern motivated by love.  This can often be seen in the notion that critics are adamant that achieving goals 1-6 do not require friendship or a relationship. Many critics state that they are not trying to make friends or to be nice, but simply to discharge their duty.  In addition, there really isn’t any motivation to listen to LDS and understand them from their perspective.  The idea is that it is a waste of time to get to understand false doctrine.  As one Christian radio commentator put it, Christians trying to understand Mormons would be like the US trying to understand the Nazis during WWII, in other words, a waste of time, not to mention dangerous and naive.

So, what are better goals to have and the effective approaches that should go with them?

1) The goal to charitably understand their Mormon neighbors. Given the context that we live in a pluralistic society, and that not everyone is going to be of the same faith, understanding our neighbors is a vital goal. This only happens through sustained dialogue.

2) Develop the mindset that you don’t just want Mormons to stop believing things, but to believe things in the affirmative. Drop the emphasis on getting LDS to stop believing things and rather focus on positive things to believe. One example here is the many Evangelicals who want to encourage LDS to develop their notions of grace. Look for doctrines in contemporary Mormonism that you can appreciate and encourage LDS to develop those doctrines.

3) Develop the mindset that your goal is to make it appealing for LDS to join worship services with you and to show them the beauty that is there. This is a much more difficult goal and it won’t be achieved by simply giving Mormons ‘what for.’ Ask a Mormon if they want to attend church with ______ (fill in the name of your favorite counter-cultist here).  Do you think they would want to attend church with you? If not, then we have a problem.

4) Develop the goal of encouraging Mormons to grow closer to God within Mormonism, within their own church. The goal really isn’t about getting Mormons to stop going to their church (a formalistic goal), but the goal should be to encourage someone to grow closer to Christ and develop their relationship with God. Some Evangelicals understand that when an LDS person leaves the faith and perhaps Christianity all together, they have failed in their duty, because they had the wrong goals. They didn’t see the bigger picture. They were too excited about getting someone to leave something that no time was spent in true Christian fellowship, and in preaching the good news.

5) Allow God to have a role. Perhaps you think your goal is to get someone to leave Mormonism. Develop the mindset that perhaps God’s ways are not your ways. Maybe you want to tell someone that Mormonism is false, but why?  What is your motivation?  Is it to serve God?  Is it based in love? Is it to help someone see the beauty of Christ? Or are you just satisfied if they see the ugliness of ‘themselves’? Raise your standards and stop being satisfied if a Mormon ‘stops’ believing in something. Rather, the goal to be to show them the beauty you find in Christ and then let God play a role in their life.

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  1. September 29, 2007 at 6:49 am | #1

    I have experienced several of the first 5 goals over the past 25 years of living with an LDS wife and educating the public about Mormonism. For many of those years, I have also been in the continuing process of improving my serve along the lines of your 5 goals. For the most part, I agree with you.

    Could you give an example of how you would execute #2?

    In addition to explaining the gospel to the LDS with an emphasis on several points of particular interest to them, I try to get the LDS to join me in endorsing the original teachings of their faith about the nature of God.

  2. September 29, 2007 at 8:22 am | #2

    Aquinas, #5, last paragraph is fundamental. Thanks.

    And we show this by how much we compassionately lift up privately our friends to God in prayer.

    Unfortunately, sometimes our friends are not “influenced” or “won”. But there should be no sitting back in deep discouragement, because the higher goal, the bigger umbrella is “How to best glorify God.” This should be the highest ambition of any dialogue/discussion. And it certainly frees our hearts from being chained in fear to how others might react.

  3. September 29, 2007 at 8:30 am | #3

    Tom, thank you for your comments. There are several examples of #2 that I’ve tried to highlight in this blog.

    First, I recommend Craig Blomberg’s recent talk at Southern Gables Summer Preaching Series. I think Blomberg does an excellent job by saying (paraphrasing) “this is what I like about your faith, and perhaps you might consider these additional points from my point of view.” However, Blomberg is respectful and I highly doubt an LDS would be offended from his talk. It is an excellent example.

    Second, I recommend Gerald McDermott’s discussion with Robert Millet at Roanoke College (see also his interview). McDermott at one point says to Millet, “What troubles me are the words of Joseph Smith. I’m not troubled much when I hear you!” So there is a way to do it, there is a way to phrase it that is civil and charitable. McDermott doesn’t hold back his concerns with Mormonism, but he does it in a classy and respectful manner, that encourages interaction from LDS and is not a turn off.

    Third, I recommend Greg Johnson’s discussions with Robert Millet as another example of an Evangelical who is explaining the things that are important to him and raising concerns and questions he has, but never disrespects the LDS faith in the process.

    Fourth, I recommend Salt Lake Theological Seminary’s ‘Grounded’ Program for Teens and Young Adults and ‘Bridges’ Program for Adults. Clearly, this is Evangelism towards members of the LDS faith, but it is a much preferred version. In this sample video, Ross Anderson said “How many times have I heard someone say, as I’ve explained LDS teaching to them, a Christian will say, ‘How can they believe that!?’ Just this incredulous response. Well, that doesn’t treat their belief with respect. They can believe it, they do believe it, that’s a fact.” Ken MulHolland, president of Salt Lake Theological Seminary explains, “Mormonism is usually understood as a cult, in the Christian terms, but really I would say that’s wrong, it’s a culture and until we understand it as a culture, we will never be effective in reaching these people for Christ.” I intend to comment more on this last point later.

    Fifth, I recommend looking at John Bracht Interview: Perspectives on Mormonism (part one and part two) at Morehead’s Musings. Here is one example of Bracht’s approach. He says:

    The Mormon meta-narrative that moves from their pre-existent life in the spirit with their heavenly parents through to their testing time on earth and on beyond death into the Spirit World while awaiting the resurrection of the body that will lead them on to the Celestial Kingdom, is a powerful context for their lives. While Christians may be very vague about the before and after, Mormons express this sense of connectedness with a God who has shared their existence in the same way that Christians think of Christ as having shared our earthly existence. This generates powerful emotions. It may be in part, the power of myth, but it sustains them. To simply present them with the imponderable mystery of the Trinity, asserting that God the Father has no body but God the Son does – God is non-corporeal and corporeal at the same time, does not seem like a ‘fair swap’ to them. I think then that in our approaches to them, we must acknowledge this earnest devotion to God, and lead them gently to an orthodoxy that stresses the personal nature of a God who does not need to be of the same species as they are. Instead of only ridiculing the absurdities of an embodied Father-God, we must show them that God can still be intensely personal without having a glorified body. One of the ways I do that is to talk about Israel’s love affair with God. I cite the prophets and figures like David and the expressions of his devotions in the Psalms. I talk about the intensity of conviction experienced by the disciples following Pentecost, when they sensed the presence of Jesus who had been removed from them bodily but was present in an even more powerful sense through the Spirit.

    Notice that in this instance, the approach isn’t to compel Mormons to discard their belief in a corporeal God, but rather to show them that one can identify with God at a personal level even if God doesn’t have a glorified body. By showing them how this belief makes sense to you, they can begin to hold the position, “I can see how that approach does make sense.” The traditional approach is to get a Mormon to stop believing, while this approach is trying to show the beauty of your belief and perspective, and not requiring the LDS person to drop their beliefs in the process. This approach is infinitely superior in my view.

  4. Craig Blomberg
    October 1, 2007 at 2:39 pm | #4

    Kudos, Aquinas! I concur wholeheartedly.

  5. Greg Johnson
    October 1, 2007 at 9:32 pm | #5

    Aquinas,

    I have read your blogs before, here and there, but I don’t have much background with you or much understanding of where you are coming from, having said that though, I really appreciated your words above. Helpful insights from an LDS perspective on evangelical approaches to reaching out to our LDS friends. It is far better to reach out lovinginly and respectfully, while seeking to influence others as God leads us.

    Your “not so good” example are what I have departed from since my earlier days out of Mormonism. I see much more progress and mutual growth taking place in a dialogical format than I ever saw by being simply “apologetic.”

    Thanks for your comments.

  6. October 6, 2007 at 7:40 pm | #6

    I’m very glad you commented on this post Greg. I also share a similar history of seeing more mutual understanding through dialogue than from the usual kind interchange that often passes for communication.

    Thanks for the support Dr. Blomberg!

  7. October 9, 2007 at 1:10 pm | #7

    There is a very strong tradition of theological inquisitiveness within Mormonism. The religion could actually be truly said to be seeking truth – from whatever source.

    Unfortunately, I do not think this accurately captures the LDS Church’s current posture.

    Mormons also have a long history of isolation and being persecuted by outsiders. This has developed a bit of a siege mentality within the religion. The unfortunate result being the suppression of Mormonism’s own native inquisitiveness. Now we tend to view outside ideas as threatening. This makes it hard for us to talk to evangelicals or Roman Catholics, or other religions that may have some valuable contributions to make to LDS theology and doctrine. It doesn’t help that the apologetics scene can get downright nasty whenever the Mormon question arises. Outsiders to the debate report being utterly taken aback at the intensity of the following threadjacks or arguments that ensue whenever the Mormon question comes up.

    We still feel persecuted and we circle the wagons.

    As a result, we Mormons are further isolated from the marketplace of ideas. We could benefit greatly from it if we weren’t so busy nursing our wounds.

  8. November 5, 2007 at 12:00 pm | #8

    I was heartened to read this post. Allow me to humbly submit one more good approach: be open to learning something from your Mormon friend. Perhaps they can teach you a little something about following the Christian ideal. Both of you will be enriched for your efforts at understanding one another.

  9. pistolpete
    December 20, 2007 at 5:27 am | #9

    A good summation of the best evangelism approach not just with Mormons, but with all non-Christians. We are not likely to argue our way into the kingdom. More likely, if we’re going to get there at all, it will be by having a respectful conversation through which the Holy Spirit can freely flow.

    Thank you for your thoughts.

  10. December 20, 2007 at 7:45 am | #10

    Thanks for your comments Pete. Indeed, while this post illustrates the approach within the dynamic of Evangelical and Mormon relations, I believe it is equally applicable to relations between and among other faith communities.

  11. Deseretian
    November 6, 2008 at 9:22 am | #11

    Kind words.

    As a Mormon, I’ve experienced the full range of anti-Mormon approaches to challenging my faith. Sadly, most would-be detractors are often uninformed and rude. My wife, who was raised as an Evangelical, converted to Mormonism after several years of marriage. She was never pressured to do so. I married her with the full knowledge that she might never join my church. She joined for at least two reasons:

    (1) She prayed and felt God’s approval of the choice (something I’m sure you all do not necessarily believe)

    (2) She saw how little thought and kindness went in to the anti-Mormon dialog of her parents’ church.

    Mormons do not spend time belittling the faith of Trinity-Christian churches. A typical Mormon service is devoted entirely to our own concerns and doctrines. In fact, I believe that most active Mormons see other Christian churches as their friends. They all hope to convert you, but not for the same reasons you generally want to convert them. Most Mormons would really rather let you do your thing but secretly worry that you might miss out on blessings and knowledge. They don’t think you are hell-bound or cruelly deceived, even if you do hold extra-Biblical beliefs without a basis in revelation.

    When my wife told her father, who is a good man, that we were getting married, he took the two of us to his home and lectured me for two hours about why it wouldn’t work because I don’t believe in Jesus Christ. I politely smiled and did not argue back. He clearly lacked the knowledge necessary to allow for a deeper discussion of why I don’t accept the later creeds of Roman-controlled Christendom. I had attended many activities at his church over the years, but they had never done the same with mine. I knew their basic doctrines, their church culture, their music, and their level of commitment. I was, and am, not that impressed with most of the above, except the goodness of many of their fellow Evangelicals.

    All that the anti-Mormon diatribe accomplished, in my opinion, was the alienation of my wife from their belief system. We spoke with her pastor and, again, he was rabidly anti-Mormon and did not believe our relationship should continue.

    Now, we met with my Mormon Bishop. He was not trained or paid to be a clergyman, as many of you know, yet he handled the meeting with the utmost kindness. He said nothing about her not being Mormon, nor did he try to convert her. He noted our love for one another and said she was a good person. Imagine that!

    I hope all of you give Mormonism a chance in your heart, but I know that is an unrealistic goal. If that cannot happen, maybe I can look forward to more civil (and informed) discussions of shared doctrines.

    I appreciate the truly Christian intentions behind this discussion and wish you all happy and fulfilling lives. I’m sure many of you will receive your heart’s wish and live with your Savior in the afterlife.

  12. Sue
    December 11, 2008 at 3:03 pm | #12

    I don’t understand…I am supposed to just let my Mormon neighbor “find God” or “continue on with God” in a church that teaches there is more than one God? That is idolatry. How CAN they have a relationship with that kind of false God? A god who says (like Lucifer in the garden) that they can become God? If I am to let God be God, how can God be god in a church that rejects His command to have no other God’s?

  13. December 11, 2008 at 7:29 pm | #13

    Sue, thanks for the question. I think it is important to consider God’s role and your role in the process of conversion. I’m not saying that you have to take a hands-off approach but I think it is very important to evaluate your methods and consider your goals. If your only goal is de-conversion, or to get them to leave the Mormon church, then I suggest you should consider the fact that such methods often result in Latter-day Saints leaving religion all-together. Just leaving the Mormon church doesn’t mean an individual will choose to attend an Evangelical church, especially if they have not been treated well by Evangelicals in the past. Rather, it would be more useful to actually become friends with your Mormon neighbor and get to know them and find out what they actually do believe. As you build trust with your neighbors they will be much more likely to listen to what you have to say.

  14. Allen Warner
    December 30, 2008 at 9:21 am | #14

    I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Anyone who wishes to turn Mormons away from their church first ought to know how you come across to us.

    We generally do not see your attempts to turn us from our beliefs as acts of love and understanding. First, when you talk to us–or write about us–we inevitably see your understanding as lacking. If you attempt to tell us what we really believe, you come across as laughable. When you refuse to believe us when we try to explain our doctrines to you, you come across as bigoted. When you tell us that some of the incredibly good people we know will go straight to hell not because they did not believe in Jesus Christ, but because they believed the wrong things about him, you come across as actually hateful.

    If you truly want to help us, just try explaining your beliefs and why they give meaning to your life. But be prepared to hear about what we believe and why it gives meaning to ours. And don’t be surprised if we tell you we already believe what you are describing. After all, no matter what you may think, Jesus Christ means as much to good members of our church as He does to you.

    May God bless all of us. We all need Him.

  15. January 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm | #15

    Sorry for joining this conversation a year late. aquinas, thank you for writing this. Whenever anyone asks me how I think evangelicals should interact with Mormons from now on, I’m going to point them to this post. This makes me want to write a post on how I think Mormons should interact with evangelicals.

  16. January 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm | #16

    Sarah, thank you for your comment and support. I’m glad you found it useful. I look forward to your post on how Mormons can interact with Evangelicals.

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